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[00:00:19] Hi and welcome to the second episode of Murder Link. This is a podcast series where we discuss the murder stories that people have a personal link to, including us. We believe that we're all linked to murder in one way or another, through the people that we know, the places that we've been, or the choices that we've made. This is our second episode. Our first episode actually launched yesterday. We're recording this episode on November 1st. You'll get it next week.

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[00:01:38] So dad, welcome to episode two. How are you feeling today?

[00:01:43] I'm feeling great. I'm thrilled to be here. You know, this is our second episode. I just can't believe the response we're getting. I want to thank everybody for listening too. We really do appreciate you.

[00:01:55] Okay, great. So let's get right into it. Shall we, dad? Do you want to take us through today's story?

[00:02:02] Yes, I do. It was in 1992. You were six years old. We lived in College Park, Georgia. We were approximately two miles from Atlanta airport.

[00:02:12] You could literally stand in the front yard and watch the planes take off and land. They didn't fly over us, but you could literally see them.

[00:02:21] So at that time, you were attending KinderCare Nursery in Riverdale, Georgia. It was only about five miles south of where we live.

[00:02:30] There was an incident with another vehicle and a Riverdale police officer responded.

[00:02:37] I didn't recognize him. I'm from the area all my life at that point.

[00:02:42] And I was very familiar with law enforcement and who they were. Once he got out and I saw his name tag, I knew who he was, James Batzel.

[00:02:51] His reputation did precede him. He was known to be kind of a meaner police officer who didn't put up with any bullshit.

[00:02:59] Also, you couldn't miss this guy. I mean, he was huge. He had a 21 inch neck. I later found out. I mean, this guy was clearly a weightlifter.

[00:03:10] You must understand that back then in the 90s, if you were a serious weightlifter, you were into steroid usage.

[00:03:19] There just was no two ways about it. Everyone accepted it. It's just the way it was.

[00:03:24] And that was a bad thing because steroids can cause what's known as roid rage.

[00:03:29] It can make you very angry. It messes with you mentally, makes you aggressive.

[00:03:35] And you could see this in this officer. It was very clear. He pushed around. He didn't take anything.

[00:03:43] So eventually he told us both to leave or he was, quote, going to lock us both up.

[00:03:50] I wasn't quite clear what that was about. So that was me and the other person.

[00:03:56] He was speaking to both of us. And I remember Carla, the manager at the kinder care.

[00:04:02] She came out. She was such a sweet lady. She had hair down to her knees.

[00:04:06] She came out with you. We just left driving away.

[00:04:09] I had no idea at that moment that I was in the presence of someone that would later commit murder.

[00:04:16] So in our second episode, we are sharing a case that shook the foundations of trust and justice.

[00:04:22] It's also a story of betrayal, conspiracy that left a trail of blood, literally,

[00:04:28] that led investigators down a dark path. This is the murder of Henry Lamar Jeffcoat.

[00:04:51] On February 10th, 1993, Lamar left the gold rush on Stewart Avenue.

[00:04:57] He headed home with $64,000 in cash.

[00:05:01] His journey would take him to his house, which is about five miles away on Pleasant Valley Drive.

[00:05:06] Pleasant Valley Drive. It's a hill. And his house was located at the bottom.

[00:05:12] And it's in the city of Morrow, Georgia.

[00:05:15] And carrying that much money alone would make Lamar very paranoid.

[00:05:21] But he had several reasons to be paranoid.

[00:05:24] Less than a year earlier, making the same exact trip as he arrived home,

[00:05:31] he was kidnapped, tied up, and over $60,000 were taken out of two different safes in his house.

[00:05:41] He knew that law enforcement had been investigating a string of robberies also

[00:05:46] that were located all around him.

[00:05:49] Like every night, Lamar was ready as he drove his nine-millimeter gun laying right beside him.

[00:05:56] He was well-versed at using it.

[00:05:59] He was known as bragging, and I quote,

[00:06:03] I could draw my gun quicker than any of my dancers could drop their panties.

[00:06:08] But Lamar didn't stop there.

[00:06:10] In addition to his gun, he had a panic button installed in his car

[00:06:15] that immediately notified authorities if this button were pushed.

[00:06:20] Back then, we did not have cell phones.

[00:06:22] And this is as close as you could get to an immediate response from law enforcement.

[00:06:27] So, Dad, I would have imagined that back then, because this is 93,

[00:06:31] he would have had to go through some trouble to get that installed.

[00:06:35] It wasn't something that you could just go and get from your local,

[00:06:40] gosh, I'm trying to remember the American store names, like the Best Buys and things like that.

[00:06:44] You had to go to the dealership and specifically request that

[00:06:47] and then get that linked to the local law enforcement.

[00:06:50] Oh, yes, very expensive, too.

[00:06:54] So as he pulled his black Cadillac into the driveway,

[00:06:57] he opened his garage door with his opener,

[00:06:59] slowly rolled his car into the garage.

[00:07:03] Suddenly, he saw the two figures appear.

[00:07:07] Immediately, as the garage door was closing,

[00:07:10] he pressed the panic button.

[00:07:12] He raised his gun up and shot at the person that approached on his side, the driver's side.

[00:07:18] Another one approached on the backside.

[00:07:21] As soon as Lamar fired the bullet that hit Officer McKenna in the face,

[00:07:30] Officer Batsell then pulled his gun,

[00:07:34] his police-issued 9mm,

[00:07:37] and fired directly into Lamar Jeffcoat 15 times.

[00:07:43] Now, if you can imagine just for a minute,

[00:07:46] you're a neighbor and you're hearing this 15,

[00:07:49] no, 16 shots, if you include the one into McKenna.

[00:07:53] And then if you're in that garage,

[00:07:57] the effect, the strobe effect,

[00:07:59] this gun is having as you're firing it.

[00:08:01] You're sliding up every time.

[00:08:03] So it's like a camera flashing its bulb.

[00:08:07] So as you move, it's a strobe effect.

[00:08:10] I bet it was a very eerie feeling.

[00:08:12] So he shot him 15 times.

[00:08:15] Nine actually hit him,

[00:08:18] killing him instantly.

[00:08:19] So we're talking about Lamar.

[00:08:21] So Batsell shot Lamar 15 times,

[00:08:25] and he hit him nine times

[00:08:27] after Lamar shot the other person,

[00:08:30] which was Officer McKenna, once.

[00:08:33] In the face.

[00:08:34] In the face.

[00:08:36] Wow.

[00:08:36] So that scene that you just described

[00:08:39] of the strobe light,

[00:08:40] I guess that's what Lamar is seeing as he's dying

[00:08:43] because he was shot 15 times

[00:08:45] and you said he was hit nine.

[00:08:47] If he didn't get hit in the head,

[00:08:50] you know, he might've been killed instantly.

[00:08:51] I hate to say it, hopefully.

[00:08:53] You don't want to lie there in pain,

[00:08:55] you know, if it just happened,

[00:08:56] I would assume, you know.

[00:08:59] But imagine McKenna lying on the ground

[00:09:02] pouring blood, screaming,

[00:09:04] because the bullet exited out of the back of his ear.

[00:09:07] It didn't take him out.

[00:09:08] He was actually still conscious.

[00:09:10] So Batsell had to regain his composure,

[00:09:14] run over, grab McKenna.

[00:09:15] They went over, the garage door shut.

[00:09:18] They got to kick the door out.

[00:09:20] Once again, by then, you know,

[00:09:22] neighbors had to be looking outside.

[00:09:23] They just heard 16 gunshots.

[00:09:26] So he kicks one of the panels out of the garage door.

[00:09:29] They climb out of it,

[00:09:31] pouring blood as they run into the woods in the back

[00:09:34] and meet up with the van

[00:09:36] that another neighbor saw

[00:09:39] these guys get into and drive off in,

[00:09:41] a dark van.

[00:09:43] And so do you know if they got the money as well,

[00:09:46] or were they in so much shock that they just left?

[00:09:48] Well, you never hear of them taking the money,

[00:09:50] so apparently not.

[00:09:51] I'm sure that was not their concern

[00:09:53] with McKenna lying there bleeding.

[00:09:56] I'm sure their concern was to get away immediately.

[00:09:59] And also, I have no doubt

[00:10:00] they had a police radio with them.

[00:10:02] Batsell was on duty.

[00:10:05] So he had a radio waiting for the call.

[00:10:09] He heard it when the call came in.

[00:10:11] Yeah.

[00:10:12] When Lamar pressed the button,

[00:10:14] notifying law enforcement,

[00:10:15] and then also, as you say,

[00:10:16] these neighbors,

[00:10:17] back then there weren't cell phones,

[00:10:19] so I'm assuming they were running into their house

[00:10:21] calling 991.

[00:10:22] Or, sorry, I've lived in the UK a long time.

[00:10:25] It's 999 in the UK.

[00:10:26] 911 in the US.

[00:10:28] Trying to get people to get attention

[00:10:30] because for all they know,

[00:10:31] there's been a domestic dispute across the road

[00:10:33] and people are dead.

[00:10:35] Oh yeah, no telling what's going on

[00:10:37] with 16 gunshots.

[00:10:39] I want to tell you a little about the men

[00:10:41] that murdered Henry Lamar Jeffcoat.

[00:10:43] Officer James Batsell and Mark McKenna

[00:10:46] were both Riverdale, Georgia police officers,

[00:10:48] as I had said.

[00:10:49] These two were close friends.

[00:10:51] They were members of Gold's Gym

[00:10:54] of Fayetteville, Georgia,

[00:10:55] and they did everything together,

[00:10:56] and I mean everything.

[00:10:58] Both were SWAT members.

[00:11:01] SWAT is Special Weapons and Tactics.

[00:11:05] That's what it literally stands for.

[00:11:07] These officers were specially trained

[00:11:10] to deal with dangerous criminals

[00:11:11] in high-risk situations.

[00:11:13] They're not just regular police officers.

[00:11:16] They're elite police officers.

[00:11:19] They're the ones they send in

[00:11:21] when regular officers can't deal

[00:11:24] with the situation.

[00:11:25] And literally,

[00:11:27] you would put somebody like a sniper

[00:11:29] in that category.

[00:11:30] They're the ones that take you out

[00:11:33] when necessary.

[00:11:35] So, Dad,

[00:11:36] when you met James Batsell,

[00:11:38] Officer James Batsell,

[00:11:40] at that traffic stop,

[00:11:41] did you know then

[00:11:43] that he was a SWAT member?

[00:11:45] Oh, no,

[00:11:45] I did not know that.

[00:11:46] What we had just heard is

[00:11:48] you do not want him

[00:11:49] pulling you over.

[00:11:50] He will tear your car apart.

[00:11:51] He will search you thoroughly.

[00:11:53] He will not play any games at all.

[00:11:56] So, law enforcement

[00:11:57] had investigating

[00:11:58] a string of local robberies.

[00:12:01] Home Depot,

[00:12:02] Burger King,

[00:12:03] strip clubs,

[00:12:04] and even grocery stores

[00:12:05] were being targeted.

[00:12:06] These were break-ins at night.

[00:12:09] These weren't armed robberies

[00:12:10] in the daytime

[00:12:11] in most cases.

[00:12:13] One incident included

[00:12:14] the theft of a 450-pound safe.

[00:12:17] Such large amounts of cash

[00:12:19] were stolen.

[00:12:20] Police thought that the robberies

[00:12:21] had to be an inside job.

[00:12:23] They always happen

[00:12:24] at the most opportune moments.

[00:12:26] Police were eager

[00:12:27] to solve the cases

[00:12:28] and followed any viable leads

[00:12:29] they could find,

[00:12:30] and the investigators

[00:12:31] were confident

[00:12:32] that Lamar's murder

[00:12:33] was somehow tied

[00:12:34] to these robberies,

[00:12:35] as I said just a moment ago.

[00:12:38] Is that because

[00:12:39] they knew that he was robbed

[00:12:41] one year before?

[00:12:42] I don't really know.

[00:12:44] I couldn't.

[00:12:44] I would assume yes,

[00:12:45] because of the way

[00:12:46] the robbery occurred also,

[00:12:48] that it was the way

[00:12:48] it was an ambush,

[00:12:50] and they got away so quickly,

[00:12:51] so little evidence.

[00:12:53] You understand?

[00:12:54] Whoever it was doing

[00:12:55] it was professional.

[00:12:56] Whoever was doing

[00:12:57] these burglaries

[00:12:57] was professional.

[00:12:59] So they knew

[00:13:00] it had to be

[00:13:01] possibly military

[00:13:02] or even law enforcement.

[00:13:05] They just couldn't say for sure.

[00:13:07] Yeah, and it makes sense, right?

[00:13:09] If he's traveling home

[00:13:10] with that amount of money,

[00:13:11] there's your motivation.

[00:13:12] So actually,

[00:13:13] this is a murder,

[00:13:14] but this is really

[00:13:15] a robbery gone wrong.

[00:13:17] Oh, yes.

[00:13:18] Oh, yeah,

[00:13:19] that's what it really

[00:13:19] is all about,

[00:13:20] attempting to rob him.

[00:13:22] I'm sure they had no idea

[00:13:24] that it was going

[00:13:24] to turn out this way.

[00:13:27] Yeah, it sounds like

[00:13:28] they were naive,

[00:13:30] because, I mean,

[00:13:31] just listening to what

[00:13:32] you've said,

[00:13:33] in a way,

[00:13:34] and this is putting

[00:13:35] no blame on Lamar at all,

[00:13:37] it sounds like

[00:13:37] if he wouldn't have

[00:13:38] shot at McKenna,

[00:13:39] they wouldn't have

[00:13:40] shot back,

[00:13:41] and they would have

[00:13:42] just taken the money

[00:13:42] and got possibly.

[00:13:43] That could have

[00:13:44] been an outcome.

[00:13:45] Obviously, he was there

[00:13:45] to protect himself,

[00:13:46] and I imagine

[00:13:48] after being,

[00:13:49] you said he was robbed

[00:13:50] previously and kind of kidnapped,

[00:13:52] he wasn't going to

[00:13:53] let that happen again.

[00:13:54] You would think

[00:13:55] they would understand

[00:13:56] that,

[00:13:57] that since his business

[00:13:58] had been robbed,

[00:13:59] since he had been robbed,

[00:14:01] you know,

[00:14:01] wait for the third time.

[00:14:03] No, he's going

[00:14:04] to defend himself.

[00:14:05] You would think

[00:14:05] they would understand this.

[00:14:07] So police thought

[00:14:08] that Lamar's murder

[00:14:10] was somehow connected

[00:14:12] to these robberies,

[00:14:13] but at that point,

[00:14:15] they had no leads.

[00:14:16] Finally, police

[00:14:17] got their break

[00:14:18] three weeks after the murder

[00:14:19] when a tip was received

[00:14:21] from a Gold's Gym employee.

[00:14:23] The employee's name

[00:14:24] was Tammy,

[00:14:25] and she shared

[00:14:26] that she previously

[00:14:27] overheard McKenna and Batsel

[00:14:28] speaking about

[00:14:29] robbing Jeffcoat

[00:14:30] in the past.

[00:14:31] This Gold's Gym

[00:14:32] was in Fayetteville, Georgia.

[00:14:36] And James Batsel

[00:14:37] and Mark McKenna

[00:14:38] both frequented

[00:14:39] Gold's Gym,

[00:14:40] and it was known

[00:14:41] that they were

[00:14:42] heavy anabolic

[00:14:43] steroid abusers.

[00:14:45] Anabolic steroid

[00:14:46] is a synthetic

[00:14:47] version of testosterone.

[00:14:50] It is typically

[00:14:51] taken for muscle growth.

[00:14:53] Gold's Gym

[00:14:53] was a popular establishment

[00:14:55] with law enforcement

[00:14:56] officers

[00:14:56] with over 150 members

[00:14:58] attending

[00:14:59] that location alone.

[00:15:01] I couldn't imagine

[00:15:02] there being

[00:15:03] 150 officers,

[00:15:05] and Tammy

[00:15:06] was the only one

[00:15:07] that heard the story.

[00:15:08] Others had to know

[00:15:10] that story.

[00:15:11] There's just no way.

[00:15:12] So,

[00:15:13] after receiving the tip,

[00:15:15] homicide investigators

[00:15:16] quickly found

[00:15:17] that Batsel

[00:15:18] had filed a report

[00:15:19] claiming that

[00:15:19] someone had stolen

[00:15:21] his 9mm police-issue pistol

[00:15:23] and his bulletproof vest.

[00:15:26] They also found

[00:15:27] that McKenna

[00:15:27] had not attended work

[00:15:28] since Lamar Jeffcoat's

[00:15:30] murder.

[00:15:31] When they questioned McKenna,

[00:15:33] he quickly admitted

[00:15:34] everything,

[00:15:35] including

[00:15:36] their involvement

[00:15:38] with the unsolved

[00:15:39] local robberies.

[00:15:40] Before it was over,

[00:15:42] the investigators learned

[00:15:43] that McKenna and Batsel

[00:15:44] were both part

[00:15:45] of a group

[00:15:46] of police officers

[00:15:47] who ironically,

[00:15:48] I mean,

[00:15:49] this is unbelievable,

[00:15:50] called themselves

[00:15:51] White Boys Against Crime.

[00:15:53] Can you imagine

[00:15:54] what kind of mental state

[00:15:56] you have to be in

[00:15:57] to be so self-righteous,

[00:15:59] so delusional,

[00:16:00] that you're robbing

[00:16:02] big stars

[00:16:04] at grocery stores

[00:16:05] and Home Depots

[00:16:06] and you call your

[00:16:07] gang

[00:16:08] White Boys Against Crime?

[00:16:11] I mean...

[00:16:14] I think it's really ironic,

[00:16:16] like,

[00:16:16] because also

[00:16:17] White Boys Against Crime

[00:16:19] sounds like

[00:16:19] such a juvenile name.

[00:16:21] So,

[00:16:21] on one hand,

[00:16:22] you've got these,

[00:16:24] I don't know how old he was,

[00:16:25] I imagine these men

[00:16:26] in their late 20s

[00:16:27] and mid-30s

[00:16:28] pulling off

[00:16:29] sophisticated heists

[00:16:30] with 450-pound safes

[00:16:33] and, you know,

[00:16:34] going on these

[00:16:34] crime sprees

[00:16:35] and then maybe

[00:16:36] possibly trying

[00:16:37] to justify it

[00:16:38] by saying

[00:16:39] White Boys Against Crime

[00:16:40] and what does that mean?

[00:16:41] Like,

[00:16:42] is it a racial

[00:16:43] thing

[00:16:44] or are they just

[00:16:45] trying to

[00:16:46] identify

[00:16:47] themselves

[00:16:48] as White Boys?

[00:16:49] Are they against crime

[00:16:50] because they're

[00:16:50] police officers?

[00:16:51] Like,

[00:16:51] to me,

[00:16:52] it leaves a lot

[00:16:52] of questions

[00:16:53] unanswered.

[00:16:54] And also,

[00:16:55] I wonder,

[00:16:56] what is the crime?

[00:16:58] Is the crime

[00:16:58] that

[00:16:59] it's a strip club?

[00:17:00] What's the crime

[00:17:01] against the Home Depot?

[00:17:02] They're committing crimes.

[00:17:04] How can they be

[00:17:04] against crime?

[00:17:06] The only crime

[00:17:07] I can see here

[00:17:08] is how they

[00:17:09] are taking

[00:17:11] the trust,

[00:17:12] not just of

[00:17:14] Henry Lamar

[00:17:15] Jeffcoat,

[00:17:16] but of anybody

[00:17:17] they came around,

[00:17:19] anybody they were,

[00:17:20] that's how they robbed

[00:17:20] everybody and were so

[00:17:21] successful.

[00:17:22] They were security guards.

[00:17:23] They were in these

[00:17:24] clubs all the time.

[00:17:26] They were at the

[00:17:27] Home Depot

[00:17:27] and knew the

[00:17:28] manager there.

[00:17:29] So,

[00:17:29] this trust

[00:17:30] that they had

[00:17:31] from everybody,

[00:17:33] they were using

[00:17:34] that against

[00:17:34] the very people

[00:17:36] that were trusting them.

[00:17:38] It seems like

[00:17:38] it was quite

[00:17:39] an organized effort

[00:17:40] to have all

[00:17:41] of these crimes

[00:17:41] and have a name

[00:17:42] and have what

[00:17:43] would be considered

[00:17:44] a gang or a clique.

[00:17:45] And it sounds like

[00:17:46] it unraveled

[00:17:47] in a heartbeat.

[00:17:48] Basically,

[00:17:48] they found McKenna

[00:17:49] with a bullet

[00:17:51] in his face

[00:17:52] or I guess

[00:17:53] a bullet wound

[00:17:54] in his face

[00:17:55] and he immediately

[00:17:55] confessed

[00:17:56] and gave it all up.

[00:17:57] Dad,

[00:17:58] from what you've said,

[00:17:58] it sounds like

[00:17:59] they were operating

[00:18:00] for at least

[00:18:01] a couple of years

[00:18:02] if not more.

[00:18:03] Oh yes,

[00:18:03] we know from 91.

[00:18:05] I know that for sure.

[00:18:07] The 48 robberies

[00:18:08] and burglaries

[00:18:09] amassed

[00:18:10] hundreds of thousands

[00:18:12] in stolen goods

[00:18:13] and cash.

[00:18:14] McKenna also

[00:18:15] implicated

[00:18:16] three people

[00:18:17] in Lamar Jeffcoat's

[00:18:18] murder.

[00:18:19] That would be

[00:18:19] Fulton County

[00:18:20] Sheriff's Deputy

[00:18:21] William Moclair.

[00:18:23] William notified

[00:18:24] McKenna and Batsel

[00:18:25] that Jeffcoat

[00:18:26] was on his way home

[00:18:27] on the night

[00:18:28] of the murder.

[00:18:29] Getaway driver

[00:18:30] Chris Grantham

[00:18:31] who was an employee

[00:18:32] of Gold Rush

[00:18:33] he was actually

[00:18:35] the one

[00:18:35] who drove

[00:18:36] the van

[00:18:36] that night

[00:18:37] of course.

[00:18:38] And Donnie Curtis White

[00:18:39] he worked at Gold Rush

[00:18:41] and was known

[00:18:41] to be like a son

[00:18:42] to Lamar Jeffcoat.

[00:18:44] He's the one

[00:18:45] that masterminded

[00:18:46] that robbery

[00:18:47] as well as

[00:18:48] other robberies

[00:18:50] where Lamar

[00:18:51] got robbed.

[00:18:51] So dad

[00:18:53] it sounds like

[00:18:53] they had

[00:18:54] quite the system.

[00:18:55] So if I'm

[00:18:55] understanding it

[00:18:56] correctly

[00:18:56] they had

[00:18:57] one sheriff's

[00:18:58] deputy

[00:18:58] William

[00:18:59] Moclair

[00:18:59] who

[00:19:00] basically

[00:19:01] told

[00:19:03] James

[00:19:03] Batsel

[00:19:04] and Mark

[00:19:04] McKenna

[00:19:05] that hey

[00:19:05] you want

[00:19:06] to go ahead

[00:19:06] and be

[00:19:07] prepared

[00:19:07] to rob

[00:19:09] Henry Lamar

[00:19:10] Jeffcoat

[00:19:10] because he's

[00:19:11] on his way

[00:19:11] home.

[00:19:12] So they knew

[00:19:12] when he would

[00:19:13] get home.

[00:19:14] They had

[00:19:14] someone to

[00:19:15] pick them up

[00:19:16] once they had

[00:19:17] stolen the

[00:19:17] cash

[00:19:18] and then they

[00:19:19] had someone

[00:19:19] even on the

[00:19:19] inside

[00:19:20] you said

[00:19:20] he was

[00:19:20] the mastermind

[00:19:21] of the

[00:19:21] robbery

[00:19:22] Mr.

[00:19:23] Donnie

[00:19:23] Curtis White.

[00:19:25] Yes

[00:19:26] and remember

[00:19:27] this was all

[00:19:28] well versed

[00:19:30] they had

[00:19:30] done this

[00:19:31] how many

[00:19:31] times before

[00:19:33] so this

[00:19:34] was nothing

[00:19:34] new

[00:19:34] they knew

[00:19:35] how to

[00:19:35] plan out

[00:19:36] a robbery.

[00:19:37] I wonder

[00:19:38] if it almost

[00:19:40] like entered

[00:19:41] a level

[00:19:41] of complacency

[00:19:42] you know

[00:19:43] because we

[00:19:44] said earlier

[00:19:44] how could

[00:19:45] they be

[00:19:45] so naive

[00:19:46] to think

[00:19:46] that they

[00:19:48] would just

[00:19:48] be able

[00:19:49] to pull

[00:19:49] it off

[00:19:50] but if

[00:19:51] they were

[00:19:51] just repeating

[00:19:52] the same

[00:19:52] steps over

[00:19:53] and over

[00:19:53] again

[00:19:53] it sounds

[00:19:54] like they

[00:19:54] weren't

[00:19:55] aware

[00:19:55] of how

[00:19:56] the other

[00:19:57] person

[00:19:57] the victim

[00:19:57] might try

[00:19:58] to defend

[00:19:59] themselves

[00:19:59] and take

[00:20:01] action.

[00:20:02] Well

[00:20:03] when you're

[00:20:04] wearing

[00:20:05] your

[00:20:06] government

[00:20:09] and your

[00:20:09] government

[00:20:10] issue

[00:20:10] nine

[00:20:11] millimeter

[00:20:11] you're

[00:20:11] using

[00:20:12] to kill

[00:20:12] someone

[00:20:13] with

[00:20:13] I would

[00:20:14] call that

[00:20:14] complacent

[00:20:15] once you

[00:20:16] reach that

[00:20:17] level

[00:20:17] that you're

[00:20:18] willing to

[00:20:18] commit these

[00:20:19] crimes

[00:20:20] with items

[00:20:21] that can be

[00:20:22] used against

[00:20:22] you so easily

[00:20:24] I mean

[00:20:26] yeah

[00:20:26] because that

[00:20:27] also is a

[00:20:28] really great

[00:20:28] point because

[00:20:29] I can understand

[00:20:30] the bulletproof

[00:20:30] vest but

[00:20:32] the gun

[00:20:32] I mean

[00:20:34] this is no

[00:20:35] credit to

[00:20:36] James Batts

[00:20:37] so what he's

[00:20:37] done is

[00:20:37] absolutely horrible

[00:20:38] but it

[00:20:39] sounds like

[00:20:39] he wasn't

[00:20:40] intending to

[00:20:41] use the

[00:20:41] gun

[00:20:41] why would

[00:20:42] you ever

[00:20:42] set out

[00:20:43] to intend

[00:20:44] to use

[00:20:44] your police

[00:20:45] issued gun

[00:20:45] well I'm

[00:20:46] glad you

[00:20:47] said that

[00:20:47] what would

[00:20:48] they have

[00:20:49] done had

[00:20:49] police arrived

[00:20:50] silent

[00:20:51] had they

[00:20:52] not realized

[00:20:53] law enforcement

[00:20:53] was just a

[00:20:54] block up the

[00:20:55] road when

[00:20:55] they got the

[00:20:56] car and

[00:20:56] arrived there

[00:20:57] before they

[00:20:57] could get

[00:20:58] away

[00:20:58] would there

[00:20:59] been a

[00:20:59] shootout

[00:21:00] with them

[00:21:00] I don't

[00:21:01] think they

[00:21:01] would have

[00:21:01] gave up

[00:21:02] they were

[00:21:02] willing to

[00:21:03] kill

[00:21:04] Mr.

[00:21:04] Jeffcoat

[00:21:05] that's

[00:21:06] yeah

[00:21:06] because in

[00:21:07] my mind

[00:21:07] I was thinking

[00:21:07] maybe they

[00:21:08] would try to

[00:21:09] be part of

[00:21:10] the scene

[00:21:11] you know

[00:21:11] and show up

[00:21:11] but they

[00:21:12] can't because

[00:21:12] they're in

[00:21:13] the garage

[00:21:13] or the garage

[00:21:16] so yeah I

[00:21:17] don't know

[00:21:17] maybe there

[00:21:17] would have been

[00:21:18] a shootout

[00:21:18] with their

[00:21:18] fellow brothers

[00:21:20] it's crazy

[00:21:21] how something

[00:21:23] that it seems

[00:21:23] they thought

[00:21:24] would be so

[00:21:24] routine

[00:21:25] went so wrong

[00:21:26] and also

[00:21:27] like all the

[00:21:28] pieces had to

[00:21:28] come together

[00:21:29] the police

[00:21:30] didn't get

[00:21:30] there right

[00:21:31] they got

[00:21:31] away without

[00:21:32] being seen

[00:21:32] but I

[00:21:33] imagine that

[00:21:34] the police

[00:21:34] were there

[00:21:34] straight after

[00:21:35] that's true

[00:21:37] but you say

[00:21:38] it wasn't

[00:21:38] routine

[00:21:39] it was routine

[00:21:41] for them

[00:21:41] it was routine

[00:21:43] for them until

[00:21:44] Henry Lamar

[00:21:44] Jeffcoat shot

[00:21:45] back

[00:21:45] right but

[00:21:46] robbing and

[00:21:47] stealing was

[00:21:48] routine

[00:21:48] it was their

[00:21:49] side hustle

[00:21:51] and also

[00:21:52] like that's

[00:21:52] another good

[00:21:53] point

[00:21:53] how much

[00:21:54] money do you

[00:21:55] need in

[00:21:55] your side

[00:21:56] hustle

[00:21:57] back then

[00:21:58] a house

[00:21:58] was a hundred

[00:21:59] grand

[00:22:00] they got

[00:22:01] eighty two

[00:22:01] thousand out

[00:22:02] of the one

[00:22:02] break when

[00:22:03] they stole

[00:22:04] mr.

[00:22:04] jeff coat's

[00:22:05] money out

[00:22:06] of his

[00:22:06] safe at

[00:22:07] show bar

[00:22:08] gold rush

[00:22:09] show bar

[00:22:09] and then

[00:22:10] you said

[00:22:10] it was over

[00:22:11] sixty

[00:22:11] grand the

[00:22:12] last time

[00:22:12] they robbed

[00:22:12] him

[00:22:13] sixty two

[00:22:14] thousand

[00:22:15] right so if

[00:22:16] they would have

[00:22:16] been successful

[00:22:17] on this

[00:22:17] night then

[00:22:18] they would

[00:22:19] have amassed

[00:22:20] about two

[00:22:20] hundred grand

[00:22:21] from henry

[00:22:22] lamar jeff coat

[00:22:22] alone not to

[00:22:24] mention all the

[00:22:25] other establishments

[00:22:25] i mean you're

[00:22:26] also just

[00:22:27] venturing on

[00:22:28] greed you know

[00:22:29] like oh no

[00:22:30] they were white

[00:22:31] boys against crime

[00:22:32] that's what they

[00:22:32] were there for

[00:22:34] that way you

[00:22:34] feel better

[00:22:37] sort of like a

[00:22:38] politician

[00:22:42] but let's

[00:22:44] talk about mr.

[00:22:45] lamar for a

[00:22:45] minute mr.

[00:22:46] jeff coat

[00:22:47] what do we

[00:22:48] know about

[00:22:48] him dad

[00:22:49] from what i

[00:22:50] see he

[00:22:52] was a family

[00:22:52] man you

[00:22:53] think of

[00:22:54] strip clubs

[00:22:55] you think of

[00:22:56] mafia and

[00:22:56] drug dealers

[00:22:57] and just

[00:22:58] lowlifes

[00:22:59] he had a

[00:23:00] son he

[00:23:01] had a

[00:23:01] wife he

[00:23:02] was home

[00:23:02] every day

[00:23:04] from what i

[00:23:05] see he

[00:23:05] was a good

[00:23:06] man he

[00:23:07] took care of

[00:23:08] his employees

[00:23:09] and they

[00:23:10] paid him

[00:23:11] back i

[00:23:12] mean they

[00:23:12] were ruthless

[00:23:14] they weren't

[00:23:14] just happy

[00:23:15] robbing him

[00:23:15] once and

[00:23:16] getting away

[00:23:16] with it

[00:23:16] they wanted

[00:23:17] to go back

[00:23:18] and go back

[00:23:19] and go back

[00:23:19] and keep

[00:23:19] cleaning him

[00:23:20] out

[00:23:21] yeah because

[00:23:22] you mentioned

[00:23:22] was it donnie

[00:23:23] curtis white

[00:23:24] who was like

[00:23:24] a son to

[00:23:24] him

[00:23:26] yes i believe

[00:23:27] he was like

[00:23:27] the lead

[00:23:28] like general

[00:23:28] manager would

[00:23:29] have been his

[00:23:30] position at the

[00:23:30] show bar

[00:23:32] right and so

[00:23:32] when someone says

[00:23:33] they're like a

[00:23:34] son to me

[00:23:34] i imagine

[00:23:35] he was over

[00:23:36] there at

[00:23:36] thanksgiving

[00:23:37] you know

[00:23:38] they had

[00:23:38] christmas gifts

[00:23:39] he was probably

[00:23:40] part of

[00:23:41] lamar's son's

[00:23:42] life

[00:23:43] and ultimately

[00:23:45] it sounds like

[00:23:45] he's not

[00:23:47] entirely but

[00:23:47] like the

[00:23:48] mastermind and

[00:23:49] very much so

[00:23:50] responsible for

[00:23:51] his death

[00:23:51] yes it just

[00:23:54] seems so cold

[00:23:54] the whole thing

[00:23:55] it seems so

[00:23:55] ruthless all the

[00:23:56] way to the

[00:23:57] police

[00:23:58] yeah and i

[00:23:59] guess mr

[00:23:59] jeffcoat

[00:24:00] never he

[00:24:01] never knew

[00:24:02] who was

[00:24:02] behind it

[00:24:03] so although

[00:24:04] jeffcoat's

[00:24:04] family i'm

[00:24:05] sure lives

[00:24:06] with the

[00:24:06] betrayal of

[00:24:06] the people

[00:24:07] that they

[00:24:07] trusted and

[00:24:08] that they

[00:24:08] employed

[00:24:09] lamar never

[00:24:10] was aware of

[00:24:12] who was behind

[00:24:13] his robbings and

[00:24:14] ultimately his

[00:24:15] death

[00:24:15] true

[00:24:16] so what

[00:24:17] happened to

[00:24:18] the white

[00:24:19] boys against

[00:24:19] crime

[00:24:20] well the

[00:24:21] aftermath of

[00:24:22] this crime

[00:24:23] saw

[00:24:23] batsell

[00:24:24] mckenna and

[00:24:25] the gang

[00:24:25] members face

[00:24:26] a legal system

[00:24:27] nine men

[00:24:28] were convicted

[00:24:29] for their

[00:24:29] roles in the

[00:24:30] robbery ring

[00:24:31] five of which

[00:24:33] were police

[00:24:33] officers

[00:24:34] mark mckenna

[00:24:35] james batsell

[00:24:37] and chris

[00:24:37] grantham

[00:24:38] pleaded

[00:24:38] guilty

[00:24:39] to jeffcoat's

[00:24:40] murder and

[00:24:40] were sentenced

[00:24:41] to life in

[00:24:41] prison

[00:24:42] william moe

[00:24:43] clear received

[00:24:44] 25 years for

[00:24:45] sending the page

[00:24:45] that led to

[00:24:46] jeffcoat's

[00:24:46] death

[00:24:47] lamar jeffcoat's

[00:24:49] murder was the

[00:24:49] third time

[00:24:50] batsell and

[00:24:51] various members

[00:24:52] of the white

[00:24:52] boys against

[00:24:53] crime robbing

[00:24:54] crew had

[00:24:54] targeted him

[00:24:55] after the

[00:24:56] convictions

[00:24:57] dorothy jeffcoat

[00:24:59] lamar's wife

[00:25:00] received a

[00:25:02] letter from

[00:25:02] james batsell

[00:25:03] attempting to

[00:25:04] defend his

[00:25:05] actions by

[00:25:05] stating that

[00:25:06] his anabolic

[00:25:07] steroid use

[00:25:08] was a major

[00:25:08] factor in

[00:25:09] killing

[00:25:10] lamar

[00:25:10] the letter

[00:25:12] read

[00:25:12] miss jeffcoat

[00:25:13] i do not

[00:25:14] want to

[00:25:14] make excuses

[00:25:15] but i thought

[00:25:16] you should

[00:25:16] know that i

[00:25:17] was not in

[00:25:18] a rational

[00:25:18] state of

[00:25:19] mind during

[00:25:20] my crime

[00:25:20] spree i

[00:25:21] was taking

[00:25:22] extremely

[00:25:23] large doses

[00:25:23] of steroids

[00:25:26] in the letter

[00:25:27] james batsell

[00:25:28] requested

[00:25:29] dorothy's

[00:25:30] forgiveness

[00:25:30] but she

[00:25:31] refused

[00:25:32] stating that

[00:25:33] she knows

[00:25:34] you're supposed

[00:25:34] to forgive

[00:25:35] and forget

[00:25:35] but i don't

[00:25:36] think so

[00:25:37] you can't

[00:25:38] blame the

[00:25:39] lady

[00:25:40] i can't

[00:25:41] believe he

[00:25:41] had the

[00:25:42] balls to

[00:25:42] send her

[00:25:43] a letter

[00:25:44] i don't

[00:25:45] get it

[00:25:45] well i guess

[00:25:46] he's got

[00:25:47] nothing to

[00:25:47] lose and

[00:25:48] i imagine

[00:25:48] he's doing

[00:25:49] a lot of

[00:25:49] reflection

[00:25:50] in prison

[00:25:50] and realizing

[00:25:52] what a

[00:25:52] horrible

[00:25:54] heinous

[00:25:55] crime

[00:25:55] he's

[00:25:55] committed

[00:25:56] and so

[00:25:57] if he

[00:25:57] can get

[00:25:57] the wife's

[00:25:58] forgiveness

[00:25:58] he can

[00:25:59] probably sleep

[00:26:00] a little bit

[00:26:00] better at

[00:26:01] night

[00:26:01] he's sending

[00:26:02] her a letter

[00:26:02] for him

[00:26:03] to feel

[00:26:03] better

[00:26:04] that's what

[00:26:04] it sounds

[00:26:05] like

[00:26:05] well i mean

[00:26:06] i think so

[00:26:07] and i

[00:26:09] think right

[00:26:10] on you know

[00:26:11] why would she

[00:26:12] forgive and

[00:26:12] forget he

[00:26:13] took what

[00:26:14] is essentially

[00:26:14] the love

[00:26:15] of her life

[00:26:16] away

[00:26:17] for

[00:26:18] 62

[00:26:19] thousand

[00:26:19] 62

[00:26:20] 64

[00:26:21] thousand dollars

[00:26:23] yeah 64

[00:26:24] thousand

[00:26:25] so lamar

[00:26:27] has a son

[00:26:28] named dean

[00:26:28] dean

[00:26:30] has fought

[00:26:30] the parole

[00:26:31] of mckenna

[00:26:32] and batsell

[00:26:33] although

[00:26:35] mckenna

[00:26:36] was paroled

[00:26:37] on the

[00:26:37] 30th of

[00:26:38] march

[00:26:38] 2022

[00:26:40] so a

[00:26:41] final recap

[00:26:42] i'd like

[00:26:43] to say

[00:26:44] when you

[00:26:45] think of

[00:26:45] strip club

[00:26:46] owners

[00:26:46] you think

[00:26:47] of sociopathic

[00:26:48] mafia types

[00:26:49] lamar was

[00:26:51] not that

[00:26:51] way

[00:26:52] as i said

[00:26:53] earlier

[00:26:53] he was

[00:26:53] married

[00:26:54] and had

[00:26:55] a son

[00:26:55] named dean

[00:26:56] that he

[00:26:56] loved both

[00:26:57] deeply

[00:26:58] to know

[00:26:59] that taxpayer

[00:26:59] dollars paid

[00:27:00] for the

[00:27:01] training of

[00:27:01] these swat

[00:27:02] members

[00:27:02] these officers

[00:27:04] who were to

[00:27:04] go after

[00:27:05] the worst

[00:27:05] criminals

[00:27:06] essentially to

[00:27:07] eliminate

[00:27:08] these criminals

[00:27:09] to kill

[00:27:10] them

[00:27:10] that was

[00:27:11] their job

[00:27:12] they used

[00:27:13] this training

[00:27:14] and trust

[00:27:15] to attack

[00:27:17] this innocent

[00:27:18] man

[00:27:18] not only

[00:27:19] that they

[00:27:20] used

[00:27:20] information

[00:27:20] provided

[00:27:21] by the

[00:27:21] very

[00:27:22] people

[00:27:22] who

[00:27:23] surrounded

[00:27:24] lamar

[00:27:24] and his

[00:27:25] business

[00:27:25] his

[00:27:26] employees

[00:27:27] the ones

[00:27:28] he trusted

[00:27:29] the most

[00:27:30] set him

[00:27:30] up to

[00:27:31] die

[00:27:31] it's so

[00:27:33] sad dad

[00:27:33] yes it

[00:27:35] is

[00:27:35] and to

[00:27:36] know

[00:27:37] mr mckenna

[00:27:39] was paroled

[00:27:40] i don't

[00:27:41] understand why

[00:27:42] i don't

[00:27:43] understand it

[00:27:44] at all

[00:27:44] yeah that's

[00:27:45] a really good

[00:27:46] point because

[00:27:46] he was

[00:27:48] sworn in

[00:27:48] to serve

[00:27:49] and protect

[00:27:51] and he

[00:27:52] violated that

[00:27:53] and i know

[00:27:53] that james

[00:27:54] batsell is the

[00:27:55] one that

[00:27:55] ultimately fired

[00:27:56] the 15

[00:27:56] shots that

[00:27:58] killed lamar

[00:27:58] jeffcote but

[00:28:00] you have to

[00:28:00] think if

[00:28:01] lamar jeffcote

[00:28:02] would have

[00:28:02] turned around

[00:28:03] to the other

[00:28:03] side and

[00:28:04] shot batsell

[00:28:05] first mckenna

[00:28:07] was there with

[00:28:08] a gun and

[00:28:09] he likely would

[00:28:09] have done the

[00:28:10] same they

[00:28:10] went into

[00:28:11] that together

[00:28:11] they knew

[00:28:13] what they

[00:28:13] were getting

[00:28:14] into and

[00:28:15] a successful

[00:28:17] and innocent

[00:28:18] man lost

[00:28:20] his life

[00:28:21] for 64

[00:28:22] thousand dollars

[00:28:23] it's just

[00:28:24] heartbreaking

[00:28:25] well some

[00:28:26] would argue

[00:28:27] that mckenna

[00:28:27] should have

[00:28:28] been given

[00:28:29] some sort

[00:28:29] of leniency

[00:28:30] for turning

[00:28:31] because he

[00:28:32] was the first

[00:28:32] one batsell

[00:28:33] did eventually

[00:28:34] but mckenna

[00:28:35] turned first

[00:28:36] but i would

[00:28:36] argue that

[00:28:37] you had

[00:28:38] so much

[00:28:39] evidence

[00:28:39] it didn't

[00:28:40] matter if

[00:28:41] they turned

[00:28:41] or not

[00:28:42] the man

[00:28:43] had a

[00:28:43] bullet

[00:28:44] in his

[00:28:45] face

[00:28:46] there was

[00:28:47] and i

[00:28:47] believe it

[00:28:48] would match

[00:28:48] the gun

[00:28:49] that henry

[00:28:50] lamar jeffcote

[00:28:51] had

[00:28:52] and if he

[00:28:53] didn't they

[00:28:54] found the

[00:28:54] bullet they

[00:28:55] had blood

[00:28:55] they had

[00:28:56] they had

[00:28:57] plenty to

[00:28:58] convict these

[00:28:58] guys on

[00:29:00] yeah and

[00:29:01] also you know

[00:29:02] if they

[00:29:03] suspected

[00:29:04] that lamar

[00:29:04] jeffcote's

[00:29:05] murder was

[00:29:05] linked to the

[00:29:06] string of

[00:29:06] robberies

[00:29:07] and they

[00:29:07] suspected that

[00:29:08] mckenna was

[00:29:09] involved based

[00:29:10] on going to

[00:29:10] speak to him

[00:29:11] suddenly they

[00:29:12] have a lead

[00:29:13] where they

[00:29:13] can look at

[00:29:13] all of the

[00:29:14] string of

[00:29:14] robberies and

[00:29:15] all the

[00:29:15] evidence that

[00:29:15] didn't make

[00:29:16] sense before

[00:29:17] and possibly

[00:29:18] link mckenna

[00:29:20] batsell the

[00:29:20] other people

[00:29:21] that they knew

[00:29:22] that they hung

[00:29:22] out with in

[00:29:23] the police

[00:29:23] department to

[00:29:24] those crimes

[00:29:24] so i

[00:29:25] imagine the

[00:29:26] pieces would

[00:29:26] have fell

[00:29:27] into place

[00:29:27] and i

[00:29:28] don't think

[00:29:29] that you

[00:29:30] should get

[00:29:30] leniency if

[00:29:31] you turn

[00:29:31] not if you're

[00:29:32] involved in a

[00:29:32] murder

[00:29:33] you know it's

[00:29:34] not like you

[00:29:34] can do

[00:29:35] something bad

[00:29:35] and say oh

[00:29:36] but i

[00:29:36] told you

[00:29:37] i did it

[00:29:37] bad so

[00:29:37] now you

[00:29:38] know take

[00:29:38] some time

[00:29:39] off ultimately

[00:29:40] he's responsible

[00:29:41] for the

[00:29:41] death of a

[00:29:42] man and

[00:29:43] it must have

[00:29:44] been a hard

[00:29:45] blow to the

[00:29:46] family for

[00:29:47] him to be

[00:29:48] paroled

[00:29:49] i agree

[00:29:51] poor miss

[00:29:52] dorothy

[00:29:53] poor dean

[00:29:53] i'm so sorry

[00:29:54] for them and

[00:29:55] what they went

[00:29:55] through

[00:29:56] well it's a

[00:29:57] sad story dad

[00:29:58] and you know

[00:29:58] i think most

[00:29:59] of the stories

[00:30:00] that we tell

[00:30:00] on this

[00:30:01] podcast will

[00:30:01] of course

[00:30:02] be sad

[00:30:02] because they

[00:30:02] involve

[00:30:03] murder but

[00:30:04] it's a

[00:30:04] very interesting

[00:30:05] story about

[00:30:06] the time in

[00:30:07] the 90s and

[00:30:08] especially the

[00:30:09] steroid abuse

[00:30:10] that was prevalent

[00:30:10] as you were

[00:30:11] telling the story

[00:30:12] i was thinking

[00:30:13] about all the

[00:30:13] boys that i

[00:30:14] knew back

[00:30:15] then in

[00:30:16] the early

[00:30:16] ages of

[00:30:17] school that

[00:30:18] were so

[00:30:18] obsessed with

[00:30:19] wwe

[00:30:20] wwf all

[00:30:21] of these big

[00:30:22] bodybuilders that

[00:30:23] that was the

[00:30:24] thing back

[00:30:25] then yeah

[00:30:26] it's just a

[00:30:26] sign of the

[00:30:27] times especially

[00:30:28] with the button

[00:30:29] that you have to

[00:30:30] press to call the

[00:30:30] police you know

[00:30:31] nowadays if that

[00:30:32] happened there

[00:30:32] would be cameras

[00:30:33] everywhere they'd

[00:30:34] be tracked based

[00:30:35] on their devices

[00:30:36] but it was just a

[00:30:37] time before all

[00:30:38] that technology

[00:30:38] was available

[00:30:40] even though it's a

[00:30:41] very sad story i

[00:30:42] thank you for

[00:30:43] sharing it with us

[00:30:44] and it's interesting

[00:30:45] to know that your

[00:30:46] link although so

[00:30:47] small is connected

[00:30:49] to something that

[00:30:50] was so profound

[00:30:51] and so tragic as

[00:30:53] the death of

[00:30:53] henry lamar jeff

[00:30:54] cope yes it

[00:30:56] was very tragic

[00:30:57] i agree with

[00:30:58] you baby i'm

[00:30:59] just out of

[00:30:59] words to say

[00:31:00] anything about

[00:31:01] it and so

[00:31:03] i'm in the uk

[00:31:04] so i haven't

[00:31:05] been able to

[00:31:05] watch this but

[00:31:07] i know when we

[00:31:07] were talking about

[00:31:08] how you

[00:31:08] researched this

[00:31:09] murder you

[00:31:10] mentioned a

[00:31:11] show that you

[00:31:12] watched i think

[00:31:13] it was on

[00:31:13] oxygen we'll

[00:31:14] put the link

[00:31:15] for the show

[00:31:16] in our show

[00:31:17] notes so that

[00:31:18] if anyone that's

[00:31:19] listening to

[00:31:19] this podcast

[00:31:19] wants to go and

[00:31:21] watch this episode

[00:31:21] they can

[00:31:22] they interviewed

[00:31:24] the investigators

[00:31:25] that were

[00:31:26] investigating the

[00:31:27] death of mr

[00:31:28] jeffco isn't

[00:31:29] that right dad

[00:31:29] yes i got more

[00:31:30] information from

[00:31:32] that one interview

[00:31:33] with those officers

[00:31:34] than everything

[00:31:36] else combined so

[00:31:37] yeah that would be

[00:31:38] something you'd

[00:31:38] really want to

[00:31:39] watch okay

[00:31:41] great so we

[00:31:41] will link that

[00:31:42] in the show

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[00:31:43] anyone that's

[00:31:44] interested thanks

[00:31:45] again dad for

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